Its obvious that we had to. We’re doing a project about the Berlin Wall, we had to bring the Berlin Wall. Yeah, the piece we’re creating its a dialogue between 1989 and 2019. Me and Thierry discussed wether these figures were gonna be facing each other or looking out. And we wanted some kind of symbol to show an interconnectedness between the past and the future. Thierry always talks about not repeating the mistakes of the past. And so this makes a connection between the past and the present. So we wanted them to be sympathetic towards and each other and creating this the space between the figuers in the diptych. And I took measurements, so for example I took this measurement here and I put it into my composition here. And the width of the body here, matches Thierry’s body here. And the hand, these hands I tired to connect the fingers with the positioning of the hand. So, and the top of head is the same height so I wanted them to inhabit the same world They’re kind of from two different times, but in the same world Yeah it was a big inspiration with Stik so we can communicate it and I can learn from him, he learn from me. That’s the best. When you work together you can take something from the both sides. In April 1984 spontaneously I start to make a painting on the wall. And then the next day everybody wanted to know something about that. Questions and questions and the first one was ‘who gave you the money for this?’ ‘are you a spy from France?’ ‘Who is manipulating you?’ ‘Are you from the FBI?’ I said ‘No, no no!’ The danger was every time behind the wall So it was important first, not to paint alone. or to paint in touristic places like Checkpoint Charlie or Potsdamer Platz. That was a good help because a lot of people had cameras with them. But near my house it was not so dangerous because I knew every corner of that neighbourhood. Five meters before the wall was officially East Berlin so it was easy just to jump away, I was young at that time. Young enough to run away. The Wall was not an art project it was a deadly border. And to live like that enough artificial life it was not funny every day. Its amazing knowing that Thierry risked his life to paint the Berlin Wall. Pretty much under the noses or armed border guards. You know most street artists have got stories of being chased by the police and security guards and Thierry was doing that under the watch of border guards so that’s pretty hardcore. Thierry was painting whilst Keith Harring and Jean Michel Basquiat were active. So, you know, he’s part of that era of street artists. So I’m engaging with history not just on a physical level but on an artistic level. That’s why this project feels so right.